Monday April 11, 2016

24 (Music review), Tamil – A R Rahman

Posted by Karthik

Kaalam yen kadhali has captivating phrases; that ‘Kaalam yen’ hook after the anupallavi layered with kuthu or the catchy ‘Vaa machakkaara’ in the charanam that’s different from the anupllavi. But as an overall song it is less coherent, albeit interesting enough. Naan un aruginil seems like Tamasha’s melodic remnant, and works for its lilting melody with a tinge of melancholy, and excellent singing by Arijit and Chinmayi. Mei nigara, on the other hand, has a Kaara Aattakkaara flavor, and the intriguing R&B sound works as much for its inventive audacity as it does for Sid Sriram’s impeccable lead vocals and Sanah Moidutty and Jonita Gandhi’s backing vocals. Punnagaye is where Rahman lets his imagination loose, letting the interplay between Shashaa’s Punnagaye part and Haricharan’s heady Adi aathi (which also ends the song on a high) become the highlight, along with the tune’s free-flowing vibrancy. Aararo harks back to early Rahman—En Swaasa Kaatre, to be specific—with its minimal lullaby accentuated brilliantly through Sakthishree’s phenomenal vocals and Rahman’s guitar-loaded orchestration. My Twin Brother is intriguing and soars magnificently at 1:12, in line with Rahman’s recent international projects. There are more than enough alluring sounds in 24 to make it a great listen.

PS: As Siddharth mentions, there is a Kulirudhu Kulirudhu influence in the way Punnagaye opens! Also, interestingly, a line in the song (by Vairamuthu) goes, ‘Hindolam isaikirathey’, indicating raaga Hindolam. The side note here is that while Kulirudhu may seem like Hindolam, it is more of Sindhubhairavi/Bhairavi! And Punnagaye doesn’t seem like Hindolam either!

Keywords: 24, A R Rahman, A.R.Rahman, 200, #200

Listen to the songs on Erosnow.

Comments

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  • Subramanian Ramachandran

    Have been following you for a very long time and have respect for your opinion…….No offence meant, but .in recent times though i wonder if you go against perceived public opinion (though i follow your review only for Rahman and IR scores). 200 for the dissed Lingaa and your dislike for my most favorite OKK…….. wonder how this 24 is actually going to turn out :

    • milliblog

      Don’t overanalyze, because you won’t find a solution 🙂 Just assume that these are all one person’s individual opinion. All I can say is that I do not care whatsoever what people think about my review – I strongly believe people are adult enough to form their own opinions too. Just listen to the music yourself and them compare notes with my take – you may find something you missed. I may find something I missed if you are kind enough to comment here about it. Helps both ways.

      • Subramanian Ramachandran

        Yeah got that, it is your individual opinion……. but may be over a period of time there is a chance that opinion might be opinionated 🙂 there were times when you dissed an album when you heard it first and then after some point of time, you revised your opinion (GVP’s Oram Po)……….. the more i heard OKK the more i believed you would review your initial assessment……….. but unfortunately it did not figure in the hitman list itself…….. not that it mattered to me for enjoying those songs…….. but since i had a respect on your reviews……

        • milliblog

          OK Kanmani’s Parandhu Sellavaa was in the very 2nd Hitman, btw 🙂 http://bit.ly/1PxetgK

          It’s not as if I do not like OK Kanmani’s songs, not like VTV that I tried hard liking after my review since people said I was missing something. I quite like some of OK Kanmani – I was more disappointed with the album than hating it. To me, it wasn’t the great shakes that a Mani-ARR combo produces usually.

          • Sunil

            I believe it’s best not to have preconceived notions before reviewing any soundtrack even if it is the combo of Mani-ARR. If 24 was by Mani-ARR, would you still give it 200? I would like to know so I can put things into perspective.

          • milliblog

            Nope, not possible to answer that at all. This can lead to many more situations – would you say the same for ARR-K.Balanchandar if they made 24, or ARR-Imtiaz Ali made 24. Too many variables involved to answer such a question simplistically with a Yes or a No. Mani-ARR was not a preconceived notion – they have a history, incredibly rich history, and legacy.

          • Sunil

            I don’t approach music based on who worked with who and how great a combo’s repertoire is as I think this is highly influential in complicating one’s tendency to judge music superficially. I feel music by any music director should appeal on its own merit and should be accepted and appreciated only in this manner. Having enormous expectations can be detrimental!

          • milliblog

            I agree, in principle. That’s why I thought a #200 was due for Amit Trivedi’s debut (Aamir) or a Ghibran’s debut (Vaagai Sooda Vaa) or even a Sooraj Kurup’s debut (Valleem Thetti Pulleem Thetti). The repertoire comes in handy only to add contextual notes, not necessarily to judge it against X or Y. As a standalone album, OK Kanmani was, in my mind, average. Decent stuff, at best. Going by the duo’s repertoire, it just adds another layer to its average’ness, to make a contextual note in the review.

          • Sunil

            Is it safe to assume that you’re trying to suggest that an average Mani-ARR album reviewed with #100 is the equivalent of #200 for debutants/newbies?!

          • milliblog

            Not at all. Those 3 examples were to show you that I agree with what you said earlier, in principle. No history, but still 200. History had nothing to do with them – what they were (to me) mattered.

            With OKK, it was something I enjoyed to some extent. For ‘some extent’, I usually go with a 100, not a 200.

          • Subramanian Ramachandran

            100 or 200 did not matter but an unusual and what I thought unjustified harsh comment , diminishing value

          • milliblog

            Yes, have been told by many. It’s one person’s opinion – not a fact.

          • Syed Nizamudeen

            Even though I’m an ardent fan of ARR, But, I didn’t find it offensive and I’m revisiting your blog and do respect your opinion . I was surprised or sad on seeing your 100. But, I loved the album throughly and the score of the was so apt and definitely it did make an impression.

            But, as you said, it’s always a lose-lose situation for you and it’s just your OPINION.. I stand by you and keep writing.. 🙂

          • Sunil

            …but then again, OKK’s music review was based on Mani-ARR’s legacy, right?

          • milliblog

            Again, not really. The review (of individual songs) was based on what I thought of it as an album. The last line (a summary, for the connective effort of the songs together) alluded to the legacy.

          • Sunil

            I’m not convinced because when writing about some of the songs you made references which gave me the impression you were finding ways to drag down the soundtrack. Its fair that we all hear different songs and familiarity is evoked in us in profound ways on different levels but with respect to your review of ARR’s other albums, OKK’s review was blatantly biased because of Mani’s presence. Any ways, its your call whether you want to abuse your power as a music reviewer! I’ll just be sure not to consider your reviews credible when reviewing a Mani-ARR album, otherwise thank you for all your other reviews.

          • milliblog

            Sure, I understand what you mean. But the same logic (your logic) can be used to explain the past 200s for other ARR-Mani combos too, no? Like Raavan’s 200 was biased because of ARR-Mani’s stellar past. Or Kadal’s 200? How will you explain that within your logic?

            ‘abuse your power as a music reviewer’? Just what kind of power do you assume I have? And what does it entail, to me? Would love to know because you seem to be severely overestimating and over-analysing one person’s point of view.

          • Sunil

            As you know, Raavan and Kadal came out before OKK so based on that you probably bracket those in Mani-ARR’s rich legacy(?) OKK for you was of “Diminishing Marginal Utility” so I guess you consider it as a starting downfall for the Mani-ARR, if not then your forthcoming Mani-ARR reviews are to be anticipated (but only with a pinch of salt).

            With regards to power, I was hinting that since your website appears on many search engines for listeners trying to find new material, these listeners entrust a certain level of responsibility on you for giving non-biased and non-judgemental reviews. I don’t know what it entails to you as that’s for you to decide! I’m just expressing what I’m witnessing. That’s all!

          • milliblog

            Precisely my point. If you allege bias (of legacy) in OKK’s 100, shouldn’t the bias work the other way round too, to explain 200 of earlier albums? What changed? Why did it change? Isn’t that adequate to explain the pointlessness of this debate? That all these are highly subjective personal opinions and alleging a streak or a pattern to them are truly pointless?

            Here’s what can happen for the next Mani-ARR film – I give it a 100, people will say I did it ONLY to reiterate and annoy people who did not like my 100 for OKK and the last line. I give it a 200 and people will say I did it ONLY to appease the ones I annoyed earlier. It’s a lose-lose situation for me. Which is precisely why I couldn’t care less for what people think of my views and wish they cared more about forming their own independent opinion by listening to these albums I write about and use my view only as a thought-starter.

            On your note on so-called ‘power’, there is a previous discussion between me and ‘Say Something’ that could offer you some context: http://itwofs.com/milliblog/2015/05/03/hitman-april-25-2015/#comment-2001551652

            To sum it up (after you have gone through it – there is NO non-biased, non-judgemental view. Every opinion can be argued on both directions and a conclusion can never ever be decided.

            ‘The world is flat’ is a fact. ‘This album sucks’ is an opinion. Basic, simple difference.

          • Sunil

            “Broadly, I believe Rahman is a bit off color recently, on and off, with his music and Mani, even more so. Together, it seems to be a bit more of an issue.”

            This is what you wrote regarding Mani-ARR’s combo of late so trying to defend yourself on the basis of Raavan and Kadal’s review is slightly confusing now. Contradiction, much? Or rather, has your opinion on Raavan and Kadal’s OSTs changed? It’s fine, opinions do change over time and you have right to consider an album becoming a bit off color with time.

          • milliblog

            What exactly do you pinpoint from that line? There was an I (Shankar) I did not like. Ditto with Endhiran too. That’s enough to explain off color? Or do you want more to satisfy your curiosity? There’s Highway and Maryan too, btw.

            ‘Bit more of an issue’ cannot be about OKK alone? On what basis would you assume that it was about more than OKK?

            I ask again – if bias works one way, why not the other way? OKK 100 because I said so. Kadal 200 because, err, I said so? You still do not get ‘subjective’ when it comes to reviews?

            Have never had a problem with changing opinions – not because others asked me to, only because I felt like it. Seen the re-review of GVP’s Oram Po? Or Yuvan’s Moondru Per Moondru Kaadhal? There are more examples.

            The bottomline, again – I’m not asking you to agree with me. I’m not asking you to chant that I’m unbiased. I’m not even forcing you to read my reviews (that I write for myself, first). All I’m asking you is to read these reviews just as one person’s opinion. Beyond that, any trend, streak or pattern you allege is in your head. Please do not ask me to agree to it. Or ask me to chant behind you what you say. I am reading your counter arguments, though, and responding to them to the best of my knowledge.

            Disagreeing to an opinion is perfectly fine. That’s why they are opinions, not universal, provable facts.

          • Sunil

            I don’t expect you to agree with me as that would be daft and neither do I wan’t a summary review in one line of ARR’s recent albums. I understand subjectiveness, but I fail to understand why treat an album as being average based on its production team (and its past ventures)? I’m not expecting a cut throat Yes and No… This is what I was trying to get to get in my first comment and you responded by expressing there are many variables, that’s fine but I was merely interested in a brief insight on some of these.

          • milliblog

            “treat an album as being average based on its production team (and its past ventures)” -as I explained earlier, it is a summation that alludes to a context and this context could be anything – from the hero’s past work with the composer or the director’s. Or a similar genre film in the same language/time period.

            This is a contextual handle to offer a perspective to myself and perhaps readers a hanger to hang the album in. Saying, ‘It was fantastic’ is one thing – there can be many other albums that can be used along with that word or its many synonyms. Saying, it was better than the other sci-fi album that came last year adds a more specific context.

            It is also a way to express what the produced inside my head, as against another album that qualifies to be used in context based on similar people involved, genres involved and so on.

          • Subramaliya

            lol. Hey I know english! I know english! mix all variable words all variable sentences all mixed just cos you are upset. No sentence address anything. Well done! Did you really addressed any question he raised? really?

          • milliblog

            Wow! Brilliant addition from you for this thread. Yet, adding nothing but English and not having read anything I have written above and calling them all ‘English’ (which you don’t seem to know all that well, despite the self-proclamation). Very impressive.

          • Subramaliya

            You are remarkably talented! I give you that.

            Can you finally tell me what were you trying to say in all those posts. Coz its totally not clear. Are you telling that.
            1. Yes I review to an album based on the impression created in past by the composer/director/genre/etc/etc
            2. No I just review an album for plainly what they are.
            3. I review an album for plainly what they are but there are few/many exceptions.

            See I don’t wanna know anything else. Just reply me with 1 2 3

          • Subramaliya

            btw. Please! I didn’t proclaimed I know English. Although you have now. Please explain man!

            Posting few things you have posted.

            “It is also a way to express what the produced inside my head”

            Explain please!!! what does that mean?

            “It is also a way to express what the produced inside my head, as against another album that qualifies to be used in context…..”

            What exactly were you trying to say?

          • milliblog

            1. No
            2. Yes
            3. No

          • Subramaliya

            uh!!!! is that what you were telling in all those posts.

          • Jagan Kumaravelu

            In today’s age, its almost impossible not to be influenced by the combo from which the album is coming. An AR Rahman-Mani Ratnam or an AR Rahman-Ashutosh Gowariker or an AR Rahman-Shankar album will always carry the baggage of the combo’s previous works when the listener/reviewer is trying to review the work and it would invariably play a part in the likeability factor. Its impossible to shrug that off.

  • Say Something

    Punnagaye — sounded stale and below par. An average album at best.

    • Jagan Kumaravelu

      Humbly disagree! Punnagaye is one for the ardent 90’s Rahman fans. Have you heard “Gum Sum Gum Sum” from Ada (Hindi movie, Rahman’s music)? Punnagaye follows a similar pattern. And I am hearing from certain people that the Nithya Menon-Surya storyline in the film happens in an earlier time (maybe 90’s?). So Punnagaye might slot into that timeline. Shasha literally plays with the mic here. Haricharan is good, but I wish Rahman was behind the mic for this. This is up his valley.

      • Say Something

        I gave it a few more tries as I like both the singers and like it somewhat now. This and Arijit Singh’s duet — are like Rahman following Imman’s style… Kalam Yen — horrible lyrics killed my interest. Machakara, mayakara.. aakum arasae.. some left over from Enthiran’s Arima Arima. Or rejected from Enthiran 2. The whole album felt like — Rahman sitting in U.S and imagining “this is what people in Tamil Nadu might like these days”.

        • Jagan Kumaravelu

          I agree on the “lyrics hard to understand in the Arijit song” part. Wonder what makes composers (even including ARR and IR) make non-Tamil singers sing in a language where they find it really hard to pronounce? For a ‘Naan Un’ song, it was so easy to go with someone like Karthik or a Sathyaprakash or an Abhay Jodhpurkar or someone who has good hold over Tamil. Its not as if Arijit is the only option available. If this was a Hindi album, Arijit is the first option.

          • Say Something

            “someone like Karthik or a Sathyaprakash or an Abhay Jodhpurkar or someone who has good hold over Tamil” Exactly. .!

            Rahman going down, is quite insipid for a while now. Surviving mostly because there are not many other good Composers.

  • Subramanian Ramachandran

    Anyway 11 comments already and only one of them related to this thread , sorry for that , let 24 continue

  • Siddharth

    Thanks for the mention buddy 🙂 But, I was more curious to pick your thoughts on that. Hence, tweeted!

  • Siddharth

    ’24’ ain’t a solid soundtrack but ARR hasn’t gone vapour here either! Instead of the surprise dark chocolates that we used to get from him, we’ve been force-fed processed, herbal food these days. Albeit healthier than most foods, it still takes time for us to consume and we would always miss those dark chocolates 😉 (That’s the most ‘janaranjaga’ uvamai I could come up with 😛 )

    • Kathik

      ARR understood that dark chocolates and junk food wont work any more . Thats y this change but inspite of that IR’s home made mom food is unbeatable 🙂

      • Siddharth

        Raja is my go-to composer. There have been many instances when the industry stumbled upon a new talent and said “Oh! Here is the next Rahman” (early Karthikraja, early Harris, Amit Trivedi, nowadays maybe even Santhosh Narayanan…that they aren’t a patch on Rahman is a different story altogether)
        Fact of the matter is, nobody isn’t out there as original and versatile as Raja.
        Much like how there are plenty of debates on who the next Rajini is but nobody dares to talk about who the next Kamal is! (Pretty much impossible to replace or even follow suit)

        Raja, thus becomes exclusive in his own way. It is pretty much like the taste of a very nice food which we remember.

        P.S : No Raja-Rahman debates here, guess I have given due credit to both of them 😉

        • Chuttan

          Can u tell me plz the best of ilaitaraja, just a few?!

        • Kishore Prakash Menon

          The ‘Raja-Rahman’ difference is NOT as BIG as the Kamal-Rajini difference!

          I am a HUGE Raja fan, mainly because he is the composer who carried forward Salil Da’s (Salil Chowdhary’s) legacy by employing complex western classical harmonic textures in completely Indian film scores and songs.

          Everybody wants to see another Rahman because, he is the most versatile composer the country has seen! ‘Boys’ and ‘Raanjhnaa’ are from the very same composer! ‘Lagaan’ and ‘Thiruda Thiruda’ are from the very same composer! ‘Hundred Foot Journey’ and ‘Kaaviya Thalaivan’ are from the very same composer!
          And Rahman is the ONLY southern composer who could adapt like a chameleon, transcend borders and conquer millions of hearts with his unbelievable versatility! Rahman is a global icon!

          No one can beat Ilaiyaaraja’s lightning speed! So, there won’t be another Ilaiyaraaja. Someone that seemed to become at least 30% of IR was Karthik Raaja, who displayed similar penchant for intriguing harmonic textures in his early days! I liked his scoring grammar (background scores) too.

  • Jagan Kumaravelu

    Hola! I came here expecting a mediocre 100 worder and here I get a massive 200 worder! But can’t say I dont’ agree with it. Being a seasoned Rahmaniac, I have followed every single Rahman album since the 90’s till date (ok maybe skipped Parasuram and Udhaya maybe). Considering the team behind 24 and Rahman’s record with fantasy/sci-fi/grandeur/freakish films in recent times (e.g. Endhiran, I, Sivaji, etc), I had absolutely no expectations on 24. Also Vikram Kumar is a new entity in Rahman world and Rahman works best with directors who display a very intense musical side. Vikram Kumar’s “Yaavaram Nalam” was a horror thriller where music didnt play a big part. I saw Manam (Telugu) but I don’t recall any song from it. And knowing the plot of 24, it was a urbane and stylish masala, which is not Rahman forte. All this combined in me almost wanting to not hear 24. But boy, I am pleasantly surprised. I am just floored by the melodies “Naan Un”, “Aararoo”, “Punnagaye”. And My Twin Brother’s spooky tune is just so haunting (in retrospective, imagine that spooky part from My Twin Brother for Vikram Kumar’s “Yaavarum Nalam” and it tingles me all over). Mei Nigara oscillates for me between good and “well yeah ok…”. Cant like Kaalam Yen Kadhali in anyway. But on the whole, Rahman punches above expected weight easily here in what is a pleasantly surprising album from him.

  • Kishore Bhatt

    Another gem from ARR sir….though I couldn’t take Punnagaye in the first listen owing to too much transition present throughout the song… its slowly seeping in…ARR sir stands apart from other musicians as he doesn’t play to the gallery by giving simple tunes instead focuses on the soul of the movie…many a time he may use the base of his previous tunes but manages to pull off a new tune with that….that’s his genius and the killer BGM with Ayushman Bhava Chants ( My Twin Brother ) is stunning too….am sure the theatres are gonna erupt when this BGM appears in the movie….:)

  • Jil

    Above average album Diss from ARR 3.5*/5
    Not Disappointing for sure
    Definiely Had my Moments During Mei Nigara(oodadhey Thithikadey ) n Naan Un

  • R M Satheesh Kumar

    I know ARR’s standards and efforts. Finding a striking similarities between My Twin Brother and ‘Mad Max: Fury Road OST – Brothers In Arm’. Do I have company?

  • lovethetech

    K, I agree on most of reviews, but, for ARR you are biased.
    Not worth even 100.

    Just a rip off from recent biggest Hollywood hits and billboard charts.
    BGM was lousy, trash and loud from trailer .

    • amfeeling lucky

      Don’t just say its a rip off. Just prove it.

      • lovethetech

        live in west. then u know rite away.

        • engr945

          do you a remember a masterpiece called roja? it was composed on a keyboard before the age of computers and internet, of course there was a mixer used, roja was just one of his masterpiece there are many more like bombay, gentleman, minsara kanav, earth, taal, dil se (all around 20 years old),,,,,,, all his initial albums came out on venus, hmv and many others, he associated with sony after he became a famous music director all over india and not the other way.,,, he is much more than marketing please go check, atif aslam, honey singh, strings, tulsi kumar, hard kaur etc. where are they today?

          • lovethetech

            Selective reply too: missing Reply for ARR in room for composing.
            Can you honestly reply for the putting ARR in one room and write music? U did not answer because ARR is not a composer, just a cut and paste arranger.

            Synthesizers with loaded loops , rhythms and more were used
            Computers means it is not always PC. Synths were sold with loaded loops.

            lol!!

            Roja’s every song was copied. You can google it!!

            FYI, I was thrilled to see ARR and in a few years he became stale and trashy except for a few good cloned songs. He does not have skills at all as a composer and an empty tank , a well marketed by Sony with big banners and producers.

          • engr945

            he does have a degree in western classical music, from a reputed college, dont think they hand those out for free, that too he got on a scholarship, so ofcourse he can do a lot with a paper and a pencil

            ,,,, synths and loops are common these days, everyone uses them,infact ARR uses loops creatively unlike most of the other indian composers,, anyways you just cant blame one MD out of the whole music industry (worldwide) for using loops

          • lovethetech

            Still no answer. Will ARR come with a composition or not? So it means ARR can not compose other cut and paste.
            learning how to play instruments and playing instruments is way different than Composing.
            Learning what is western classical music is different than composing.
            If u do not understand, it is like , people getting liberal degrees from very highly reputed college. Does it mean they are great poets? No. They have to write poems. Novelists – same logic goes here too.
            So ARR going to Trinity is a thing like every one can do. But composing is a different skills and gift.

          • engr945

            dont you feel if you get a degree in writing poems, the college would teach you to write poems,, and anyone can get into trinity college???? stop hating just for hating, even if it was any other college you could get in on a paid seat not on scholarship

          • lovethetech

            No hate. ARR was good for a few years and then become empty dubba.

            Useless Music director without any help.
            He is an average and one more music director who gets hits because of big producers/big banners with big stars and directors with Sony’s marketing. .

          • Syed Nizamudeen

            I think you should listen to Muhammad : The Messenger of God soundtrack and comment about his ability in composing. See, what does Andrew Lloyd Webber and Hans Zimmer got to say and do wait for Pele.

            You should also take a look at Yenga Pona Rasa making.look at how that song was made.

          • lovethetech

            lol!! business deals from Sony speaks volumes there. You never understand how the candidness works in that world.
            All the songs/music were utter trash in that Webber broadway. They disappeared like the past 5 albums in Hindi movies. If there are no bigger stars or banners or directors, ARR music is always 100% failure for the past 23 years.

          • Chuttan

            well,first u were speakin that rahman didn’t used hindu gods’ name in any of his songs,now u r sayin he used it in hindi so u r contradictin urself! u had been proved a joker here on this pg and people r either irritated with ur nonsense or some big,light-hearted people like me r havin loud laughters so if u wanna b havin some prestige,shut up now else u r free to make joke of urself!

          • lovethetech

            Ask him to compose, nto to cut and paste, then we can talk.
            Messanger of God music proves he is religiously biased. He will never make music for any Hindu mythological stories but ARR has no problem for the “religion of Peace”. If you doubt this, please go and check the Vairamuthu Video interview. Video is available in Internet and google for it.

          • Chuttan

            Do u even have some brains or u r just a troll?!

          • lovethetech

            If there are no bigger stars or banners or directors, ARR music is always 100% failure for the past 23 years.

          • Chuttan

            Do u even know how much recognition he has got all over india unlike ilaiyaraja, yuvan, etc which r known well just in south & north, east, west indians mostly don’t even have an idea who they r?! If they come to know about ilaiya/yuvan, then also bcoz of arr bcoz of various comparisons bw rahman & ilaiya!

          • lovethetech

            No common man in the west knows about him. zilch!!!I Zero.
            It shows your ignorance!!!

          • Chuttan

            Well, u r talkin about religious biases, seems as if from rss hq, nagpur!

          • lovethetech

            The book exists and try to u it and read it.

          • lovethetech

            Sorry. U r wrong about it.

          • lovethetech

            lol!!! Muslims have that issue. if you mention anything about one person who happens to be muslim, you term them as extremists. lol!!! what a POS argument and change the subject.

          • engr945

            dear lovethetech,, there is nothing wrong with rahmans music you know it better,, after reading comments i can see your major problem with rahman is his religion and no one can help you with that,,, hope you grow up and educate yourself and most of all stop mixing religion in everything you will be very disappointed in life and pretty much will have a life thats filled with hate for no reason,,, peace…

          • Chuttan

            rahman has given enough dvotional music both for hindus and for muslims at least in hindi but still he is goin mad all the time makin derogatory statements about a legend! these people r attention seekers,some day aim at mk gandhi,the next day sachin tendulkar, the next day mayb they may aim at ilaiyaraja!

          • Chuttan

            when i called u an xtremist?! it seems as if u r livin in some hypothetical world of ur own in some big bhoot bangla gone mad assumin anythin as per ur own mindset! keeep on assumin,i don’t care!

          • Chuttan

            for ur kind info,i m not a muslim so now stop ur rahman hate campaign else u mayb sent to the circus!

          • lovethetech

            Here is the link for “no hindu gods name”. He added so many others to hide behind them. read it.
            https://books.google.com/books

          • Chuttan

            it seems that u r just stuck on that one line in which the meanin isn’t that crystal clear,i think the person wanna say that rahman is against the derogatory use/ref of gods,mayb any1,if u r sayin that he hasn’t use hindu god’s name,it’s rubbish as people already have said,includin me,given u clear-cut list which is enough to prove racists like u mad,wrong and a moron! after that u r free to say anythin mayb 1 day u may call rahman some terrorist! v r havin people call any muslim a terrorist these days but that won’t prove that u r some patriot! lol! enjoy,it seems that u don’t have any work other than this talkin trash!

          • Chuttan

            Tell me u joker who knows to compose then?! The wolves in jungle, the dogs barkin in street?!

          • Chuttan

            u shud take sanyaas now and bcome a sanyasi bcoz it seems that u r out of ur mind now & have lost it almost completely!

          • lovethetech

            That is not a college, the kind of college, u think. It is just a damned certification institute.
            Any one who can play instrument decently take the damned exam and get a certificate.
            No great requirements to take an exam and to get a certificate from Trinity. So stop using Trinity as of great deal.
            if ARR was a topper and accomplished in those exams , plz tell me. It is not and he passed like any other, another average guy. So Plz stop posting trinity one more time in ur posting any where.
            He is one of another thousands who got certificate from Trinity.

          • Chuttan

            There r always some people who r always criticizin big names just to seek attention! The world is filled with them!

          • Chuttan

            Let me tell u there was a song in lagaan called o paalanhaare, a song in rang de basanti called ek onkar! I haven’t heard any more bhakthi songs since his arrival! So he is the only composer givin such music! Not only this, he seems to b the only 1 givin most of the patriotic music, the legend of bhagat singh, rang de basanti, swades, maa tujhe salaam/vande maatram,jai ho,etc r some clear-cut examples! & the pm of the nation refuses to wear a muslim cap also although the foreign minister wears hijab in iran! I can’t understand that y , y only muslims have to always prove their secularism,patriotism, etc!

          • lovethetech

            Next time, if you want to reply:

            Can ARR come out of the room with great songs composed? Yes or No.

            Answer with ARR credentials of writing/composing music ever.
            FYI. Musical degree. It is not a big deal.
            Stop apologies like graduating. Thousands of kids gets degrees every year in music colleges in west. It is not a very big deal. Indians do not know what is music degree. So you are assuming a lot about musical degree. It is like one more person getting a bcom or bsc or It is treated lower than those degrees.

          • milliblog

            Dude!

            One, your handle is called ‘lovethetech’, and you’re debating here seeking answers about Rahman composing with paper and pen. Funny.

            Two, what you are asking is mere conjecture. You don’t know whether Rahman can ‘come out of a room with songs written on paper with pen’, neither does anybody here. Everyone’s answering out of politeness and their liking for the composer.

            Three, the composing idioms have changed. MSV used to compose scratch tunes in a harmonium. Raja used to do that too, but also is known for writing entire songs in seconds. 10 years from now, a new composer may be invoking an artificial intelligence API to produce scratch for her using her own brain waves. Does that make her a poorer composer than the others? Of course not. That’s like arguing writers of the past wrote their drafts with paper and pen, and just writers these days type it out on a laptop, they’re relatively poorer.

            Now, you need to answer (that word you love the most), instead of just asking people to Google your utterly random and meaningless allegation – ‘Roja’s every song was copied’. Really? As someone who owns http://www.itwofs.com I can categorically say that this is incredibly absurd. Can you list out each song and its original? Each one of the songs you mentioned as copied?

            Let’s see you answer that.

          • lovethetech

            K, google it. u will find the Roja’s copied tunes and rhythms/ songs originals. Read the books where and how ARR started his career in hiding from his buddies while ditching and copying the others works from day 1 .

          • milliblog

            Done. That’s why I said, ‘as someone who manages http://www.itwofs.com/‘ – let me know in specific which songs were copied from which sources. See: http://itwofs.com/tamil-arr.html

          • lovethetech

            I will delete the comment after u reading it.

            I drove 150+ miles to buy his CDs in 90s.

            I have seen the video about Vairamuthu’s interview about ARR religious bias/hatred about using Hindu gods’ names. can u find it easily? I have seen last year, to forward the link to some one who asked for it. Today you can not even find it. Almost impossible. But I stopped listening not because of this.

            I did not keep the bookmarks of those books or Rojas’ original works. , unfortunately.
            It is very difficult to locate those items. Purposefully paid to be hidden , I am not sure.
            let me know I will delete this after u read it. Because this post is not an easy one, talking about religious issues.

            ARR is marketing package just average music.
            let me know when u read it.

          • Chuttan

            If u r a failure in ur hate-filled life then ar is not responsible for it! Go , get a life, dude!

          • lovethetech

            Word of Vairamuthu..
            Yes Your ARR never wanted to make songs with Hindu gods names but no problem to make music for religion of peace!!! The book was released and it exists in the world. You can not deny and the book can not be hidden!!! Word of Vairamuthu.

          • Sathyajit Krishnan

            That is a ridiculous claim. Firstly you are not giving the name of Vairamuthu’s Book. Secondly, off the Top of my Head, i do remember a Hindu God’s name being Referenced in a Song “Anbe Anbe” from Jeans. This is just off the top of my head. Guess who wrote the Lyrics for this Song? Vairamuthu. Absolutely ridiculous claim, which is not relevant to whether Rahman’s a Good Composer or not.

          • lovethetech

            I will get bit.
            Vairamuthu’s friendly interview about ARR. But he did not see the words from other angle. Because Vaiaramuth was very close with aRR at that time.
            It exists. It exists. It is not a lie. I will get it and put black in the face of Chuttan.
            Proof in pudding is “Ayyapa” song in Boys was done by some one else not by ARR.

          • Sathyajit Krishnan

            Again that also has no Claims. No credits were given officially to anyone else for the Ayyappa Song. Who is this someone else and where is the proof? Rahman did the RR for Boys fully. See if you are trying to prove something wrong please get proper sources. These are blind accusations. If someone else has been credited with the Ayyappa Song, then fair enough, Rahman has not composed it. It does not become true if someone just told you that without offering a Proof.

          • lovethetech

            Check it out in the music industry folks. Truth hurts you.

          • Chuttan

            U r goin to apologize for ur shameless, useless trolls for insultin a legend, a maestro who has contributed a lot to bollywood music at least(i don’t listen much tamil), or u may hide in ur home till the case is cooled! Lol!

          • lovethetech

            I will get it buddy. Today goggle was relieved from the Supreme court cases about google books. They will open it up again. Wait for your information.

          • lovethetech
          • Sathyajit Krishnan

            Dude, firstly that was Said by PA Vijay not Vairamuthu. You got your facts wrong. Right after he says that he also says Rahman is against composing Music for a Film for that portrays any Religion in Bad light. These are very contradictory statements.

          • lovethetech

            The interview is not lie. Only You are blind. Show how many Tamil songs he did it.
            Does it matter who said it? the content is not wrong. You are blind. Only Hindus are stupid. if any one does a business in a Muslim country, he does not get business. ARR thrives on Hindu’s money but that is very bad business attitude and a fundamentalist.
            As I said, I put the link for the book.

            Vairamuthu video is an embedded one in one of the oldest web sites. Vairamuthu was talking about how ARR polishes the song, cuts it, remixes it, adjust the speed and listens to others and make changes to the songs. VMuthu was praising in the interview but not realizing what he said in it. Because Hindus are stupid and dumb, they can not even realize the insults. As I said for the book, when I come across the video, the link will be here.

          • Sathyajit Krishnan

            Absolutely irrelevent comment. The Second part of the Comment by PA Vijay said that ARR doesnt compose songs or for Films that portray any Religion in bad Light. Is this Anti-hindu too? Firstly this is only PA Vijay’s experience with Rahman. No one else has said this about him. There are some songs composed by him that has references to Hindu Gods. Few but not none like Vijay says right?

          • lovethetech

            These are apologies, not valid replies. List the Tamil songs where the words are used in context. For his 25 years in the field, you should not be googling to find those.

          • Chuttan

            Hindus r dumb, stupid that’s y most of them voted for dstruction of unity in india in 2014! but i m not 1 of them! Also that’s y they r replyin to a fool like u!

          • lovethetech

            Ur truth came out and why u support him madly. Yes, All hindus are dumb that’s y, We believe in Unity and diversity, not like your religious countries.

          • Chuttan

            Who gave music to the song o paalanhaare of lagaan?! Who was the person bhind ik onkar of rang de basanti?! & i can’t recall much dvotional songs in bollywood after the arrival of the legend rahman!! So that proves my pt that u r just a troll who is dpressed with life & may soon commit suicide!

          • Chuttan

            i don’t know who muthu or who some kuthu?!

          • lovethetech

            I am in internet from 1993s. SO most of the things have disappeared.

            Even you stuff will disappear, if u do not migrate every 7 years. .

          • milliblog

            Sorry, this is plain balderdash. In other words, nonsense. This is not the web of 1993 when there were few people online saying whatever they want. If you espouse conspiracy theories of all songs of Roja being copied, it is only natural to expect you to back it up with some semblance of proof or leads. Else, what you are saying essentially amounts to gibberish. Worse, you use gibberish to back your claims, and that’s quite silly.

            By this logic, someone can say you do not exist at all. You ask for proof and they’d say they have been on the net since 1993 and around 1997 mid that stopped being the case, so you now exist. Silly? Much like your tall claim that you made so confidently and even asked us to search Google and now claiming that even Google won’t have remnants of that claim. Very circular gibberish.

          • lovethetech

            The web of 1993 had more truth than nonsense of today. Because u did not have the access or u were child, you can not throw away the facts.
            I
            Roja is copied and every one in the music industry knows about it.

            easy one is, I can bring you the Vairamuthu video for the bias, because I saw it a year back again. Some one asked for a proof and found it.
            Other details I will bring it to you and come across I will drop by here.

            Your episode is like protecting Indian cricket time of Azhar’s match fixes. People do not want to believe but it is the truth.

            what about “I” BGM copy 100% like Fast and furious + Terminator. I lost interest in ARR after I realized he just copies. May be ARR is good for TN city guys who were brainwashed but not for others.

          • Chuttan

            Well, shrisanth was also found to fix match, what’s ur take on it?! He has joined bjp now so mayb his stains wud b washed just like of modi!

          • lovethetech

            ??? bringing another name?? for what? another ramble!!

          • Chuttan

            What bringin another name?! Now u will say that it was some conspiracy against shrisanth & he is innocent! Keep on trollin!

          • Chuttan

            Yes, today web is filled with more nonsense bcoz of people like u! Idiots!

          • lovethetech

            like “u” who can not reply but ramble and insult!!!

          • Chuttan

            What ramble, what insult?! U r uselessly trollin here & still dserve appreciation!! May god gift u with some brains! Insult is what u r doin to a well-known legend, maestro!

          • Chuttan

            I don’t live in tn! So ur theory fails, m sorry but fails miserably as u urself seems to b frustrated from life!

          • lovethetech

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6z2jcO_MYI Blocked
            CopyCat A R Rahman – Pudhu Vellai Mazhai(Roja 1992) Vangelis “Chariots of Fire” at 50s almosts sticks out
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKn9pB8YzKI&feature=player_embedded
            and from Yanni.

            http://www.mp3tunes.tk/download?v=ExldrtsKxhI
            kallelam Manika kallaguma – thanks to MSV Sollyao Solaikili from Alli arjuna ( Pukar – SUnta Hai mera Khuda)
            The whole page has much bigger list than yours. Update your ARR copycat page.

            look for Ajith’s post in the article. He mentions about the big list used to be in 90s of ARRs every thing copied. The link is below.
            https://navnith.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/list-of-ar-rahmans-inspirations/
            I will not be wondering your web site with all the work you have done will disappear in less than a decade. the whole geo ctities disappeard. yahoo is on sale and will die in another 3 years.

            I could not find the book pages about vairamuthu talking about aRR’s obession of not allowing any hindu gods names in any lyrics. I remember reading about few years back in Google books.

            FYI, Ayyappa song music was not done by ARR. That you can verify it.

            I do not have any vibes against ARR, but felt cheated . Used to drive so long to get his CDs and cassettes, I used to have one 90min Cassette with only one ARR song copied again and again for whole 90 minutes. Got pissed when I came to know it was ripped by ARR. What ARR is doing is no different than what Azhar did to the cricket fans.

          • milliblog

            I anticipated this. The Vangelis mention for Pudhu Vellai Mazhai. There are other songs in Roja too. This is 1993 to make a flippant passing remark that ‘all’ songs in Roja are copied and show one song as proof. This is 2016, where if you say something—anything—on the internet, there are hundreds of people cross-checking your statement to see whether it is empty nonsense or valid claim. The other songs you have listed ARE NOT from Roja – good try changing the goal post.

            I have absolutely no issues with you liking, not liking or driving, not driving long for getting rahman’s CDs or burning them now – do whatever you want. But PLEASE do not pass unsubstantiated, flippant and sweeping generalizations such as ‘All songs of Roja are copied, Google it’. That only shows how arrogantly silly your argument is, IF you have nothing to prove it and explain that statement to readers. I short, I’m talking about facts, not opinions.

          • jeanjohny

            @lovethetech:disqus First pls get things right. The Vangelis connection in Roja is just the rhythm loop. And there are so many other instances where a commercially available loops/samples are used.On your pen and paper matter, pls understand that Rahman is one of the few composers in the scene today who writes the score and give it to the musicians for playing. Now the age and location matter, I think you should change yours as there is no sign of mature thinking in your post and a narrow mindedness is so evident. And don’t be so judgmental about a person by just googling about him! You appear to be dangerous! I really wish to know your real age as I find your words to be so similar to a teen who is fanatic about someone whom he like/dislikes.

            Thanks,

            Jean Johny
            Age – 33
            Location – Bangalore/Cochin
            Occupation – Owner/Director of IT Company
            Passionate About – Music, Reading, Travelling, Exploring new things plus Acting against Nonsense! 🙂

          • lovethetech

            ARR music is carried on the crutches of big banners, big stars and big promotions. And fans following like any other movie stars.

            You are brain washed by Sony marketing. I have followed him for years and I made that decision.
            Read below and digest it.
            I bought every CD/cassettes every one of them for a few years. Used to live in remote places and it is hard to buy any Indian music in 90s.
            I used to have one 90min Cassette with ONE ARR song copied again and again for whole 90 minutes. I have to work hard and spent time to create that cassette.
            Because you are not born in the Tech medieval age, where there is no mp3s, I have to work and spent time to listen to his music.
            His music is no different music than any big star’s music, packaged and promoted well to be hits. Just very below average except a few songs here and there.

            Repeat post for u.

            marketing power behind Star’s’ tracks to be played every where , all the time with promotions, they become “Hits”.

            We can write huge list trash list of big star “HITS” from Ajith, Vijay, Rajni, Pawan, Allu, SRK, Roshans, Salman Khan, Khans, kapoors and many Big production houses. those songs were never heard after that “those months of hits”.

            Look at every Indian music streaming web sites. always the top numbers during the “Star movie Releases” will be those trash hits. Rarely there are some genuine good but it is an exception.

            ARR and Sony does it very well too.

          • milliblog

            I hate to do this, but let me inform you that I won’t engage or respond to you henceforth. You are not answering pointed queries and are merely repeating your opinions as if they are assumptions.

            I start with the assumption that every person commenting here is genuinely interested in a decent debate, and let the ensuing conversation prove that out. So far, with the way you have presented your point of you, you have totally disproved that. So, I’m out. If others continue to the debate with you, I’ve no issues whatsoever. Continue.

          • lovethetech

            Next time, please do not post your title and it looks very.

          • Chuttan

            So every1 is a flopster, u r a joker! Happy now?! Idiot!

          • Sathyajit Krishnan

            Precisely. I dont understand why do people say this is copied, except for the Rythm. People dont understand Plagiarism in this Country. Even the Great Raja has used several Inspirations and turned it into Marvelous Compositions. I dont see much similar between the Songs. Rahman has even admitted in several interviews that he has been inspired by Several of Yaani’s Composition. This just isnt copied. In fact I saw many videos posted by the same Guy on Youtube claiming other Copied Songs. Not even one was Close. Sure he had comments disabled for a Reason. Im not saying ARR isnt inspired by other Composers but these Songs clearly arent ones.

          • Chuttan

            Who told u to listen only to arr songs?! Did some dr suggested that?! Or was some fatwa being issued to listen to arr songs else ur head will b slit?! U must go to some pshychiatarist!

          • Chuttan

            Just copy pasting ur 2-3 statements & repeating them won’t make a lie the truth!

          • lovethetech

            paper/Microsoft word/any tool never contributes ideas for writing. Yes if ARR uses ideas from chips(computer in any form), then it is not composing, it is cut and paste.

          • milliblog

            OK, Rahman cannot compose on paper and pen. Happy?

            Now. Waiting for proof to back your claim of Roja’s all songs being copied. If that ain’t happening, please go back on your paper, pen, Rahman conspiracy theory.

          • lovethetech

            I will get back to it. Realized u spend child hood in the same place. But I am much senior to u.
            Not revealing much, r u from Malaikottai or south suburbs or near junction area?

          • milliblog

            “Rahman can not compose at all” – you need to share at least one shred of evidence to back this claim besides asking people to let Rahman alone in a room with pen and paper AND claiming that he cannot do anything. In this case, both the claim and its explanation is in your head, not in the real world.

            My being from Malaikottai or not has nothing to do with Rahman’s composing skills. Also, your age has nothing to do with it either. It’s about standing by a statement that you claim to be a fact and prove it. You offer ‘Rahman can not compose at all’ as if it is a fact, not as an opinion.

          • Chuttan

            If rahman can’t compose, then sachin can’t bat!

          • lovethetech

            He can not do a s$hit with paper and pencil. Every one in the musical industry knows that.

        • Chuttan

          Tell me who knows to compose?!

        • amfeeling lucky

          Hello am in california for the past 15 years, i do attend all the Big guy’s concerts here…

          • lovethetech

            And even then u did not figure it out.

          • lovethetech

            Watch their channel, some of them old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRDjNLDIr4A

            This is a different point. In another 10 years, AI will become really smart. AI software will locate each and every copied songs in a second since humans can not listen to every song created. AI Software will give you sad faces.

          • engr945

            for a person who claims to be from the music industry, and possessing the musical know how to question arr’s musical knowledge, you call these copies, if so you have pathetic knowldge in music and should seriously reconsider your career, most of the songs in the vdo dont even have the same rhythm, maybe the same feel, but copies definitely not

          • lovethetech

            Typical snob u r . Some one from Indian music industry ???? So u know the best music with the best ears!! So u approve of your self. No body will care about his music in 20 years. U need music taste, not entrenched in music industry. So your views are highly biased.
            The AI software coming in 10 to12 years will list ARR’s each and every songs’ original and where they are copied from.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFhEM0VJDAM
            You need better ears too, listen this!!! And more videos in the same utube channel.

            Sold by Sony and marketed by Big banners and production houses with big stars and a lot of brain washed fans. He is below average music arranger.

            Till he was signed by Sony, he was adamant not to include any hindu gods names in the lyrics, that too he did only later in Hindi Bollywood songs when the market went south in the north. It was a business deal not a personally made decision.

          • Chuttan

            Sorry but i can’t remember any other music composer than rahman composin dvotional song in bollywood since his arrival(it’s a long time though)& he has composed not only for muslims but also for hindus, sikhs so it is more than clear that u r just an attention seeker tryin to drive ur baseless, mindless agenda of creatin religious tensions, rifts in the society mayb tryin to lynch mob or some kind of incitement of riots, i request u to stop drivin ur useless agenda! Rahman hasn’t always given music for sony music so that allegation of urs is also a joke! Further, almost all movies have publicity team these days so every1 in bollywood shud have won oscar by now which is wrong again factually,that’s y it is advised to think & then speak, in this case, think, then type!

          • Chuttan

            I think u have been proved a joker a no of times till now still it seems that u have got a thick skin & u r nothin more than a bhaand so no need to reply to me, do ur tp, i don’t care! Remember to thank me later!

          • engr945

            what coming out in 10 to 12 years, it already exists some companies already provide the service like fraunhofer,, and you think international music companies would just let some one as big as arr get away with copying songs and especially when most of his songs become huge international hits,, they even went after some one as small as deepak dev who is unheard of in rest of india even,, anyways not wasting my time on you anymore as you keep changing stories,, now you say sony forced him to add god names in his songs,, what about the last version you were yapping about his career going down which made him do it??

          • lovethetech

            The biggest hit song in Bollywood in Bodyguard movie is rip off. It is a huge hit. This is an example. Hit means, the song is a huge hit like 1000 times bigger than any ARR hit in past 10 years.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CiszUEbfMo
            It is your ignorance thinking that Int music companies will step in. lol!!!
            There are songs more like that.
            Yes. Sir, copying is always done and will be always done. Check how many recent releases are copied including VTV.

          • Chuttan

            Arrey, he is just an attention-seeker moron, it’s better to ignore that person, even the owner of this site has given him bfittin replies which seem to b slappin him but u know there r some thick-skinned useless creatures on earth which r nothin more than a burden, he seems to b one of them!

          • engr945

            lols,, i think you are right,, ignoring him until he comes up with something sensible,,

          • lovethetech

            U r from Music industry and u even don’t know that “Boys” ‘s Ayyappa song was not done by him.

          • engr945

            how did you come up with that???
            is your english that bad? english theriyatha?

      • lovethetech

        Send ARR to a room with out a computer/smartphone, no internet , with pencils, erasers and paper. Let him stay alone as much time as he wants. When he comes out, you can ask for compositions. It will be zilch. Paper will be blank. He can not compose.
        He is a music-shopping guy like photo-shopping guys.

        • Rahmaniac AR

          Computers and Smartphones don’t ‘compose’ music. The ‘composing’ job is only the composer’s! A computer cannot simply ‘GENERATE’ a melody like ‘Ennavale’ (Kaadhalan), or ‘Uyire’ (Bombay) or ‘Hai Rama’ (Rangeela) or ‘Chali Kahaani’ (Tamaasha) .

          By the way, you can CANCEL the ‘Pencil and Paper’ too. Send him in
          EMPTY handed. He’ll come up with tunes, because they would be TUNED on his
          brain! (And later improvised while fiddling with his Piano. That can
          happen when he comes out )

          You don’t seem to be more than 16-years old! Your comments are so doltish!

          • lovethetech

            with the brainwashed name like that, u expect a reply!!!

          • Rahmaniac AR

            Pudhiya Mannargal, Sakkarakatti, Jab Tak Hai Jaan, Raavan etc were all bad albums by ARR in my opinion!

            But you seem to be just bothered about my profile name, not the ‘content’ in my post.

            I repeat, a computer cannot simply ‘GENERATE’ a melody like ‘Ennavale’
            (Kaadhalan), or ‘Uyire’ (Bombay) or ‘Hai Rama’ (Rangeela) or ‘Chali
            Kahaani’ (Tamaasha) .

            ‘Brainwashed’? 😀 LOL, if falling in love with songs like ‘Ennavale’, ‘Hai Rama’, ‘Netru Aval’ etc is termed as ‘being brainwashed’ (in a negative sense) by you, then it simply shows your prejudice and biased hatred towards ARR! 😀 A normal human-being would not call this ‘brainwashing’ (in a negative sense).

            The biggest mistake in your posts here has been that, everyone reading can clearly recognize that you are ‘anti-Rahman’. You should have rephrased your sentences in an intelligent way, so that at least 2 out of 10 people would have considered your claims as those from an adult!

          • lovethetech

            very very average albums like any from any other arrangers. Sakkarakatti is recycled songs for another big banner.

          • lovethetech

            I am just revealing the true face of ARR who is not he what he is promoted as. You need to check who were with him when this song was DEVELOPED. He is a band guy with software packages. Plus big banners, big promotions and big stars for the clutches.
            read PA Vijay’s interview if u have 2 cents worth of self-esteem.

    • milliblog

      I’d need to invoke the oft-used line, ‘what constitutes a bias?’ question again, here. Is biased saying this 24 soundtrack is good when you think it is not? If so, take a look at some of the other ARR albums you liked, which I did not like; and which I did not like and you liked and compare notes. Does the bias point hold?

      • lovethetech

        K, thanks for the reply.
        Happily I agree with you to disagree. We do not need to do ping pong on this.
        You are doing tremendous job. I used to waste a lot of time trying to listen to find decent/good songs in multi-language.
        You are my savior as I just log on to ur site and listen to already filtered songs list created by you.

    • Rahmaniac AR

      Rip-off??? You think he is a Thaman or a DSP, or even a GVP to ‘rip-off’ stuff?

      And ‘Hollywood hits’?? Hey kid, the songs of the movie are being reviewed here, not the ‘score’. And Hollywood films seldom have original ‘songs’!

      If a composer works on a genre like dubstep, there are many juveniles like you who can’t distinguish it between the existing tracks in the genre! You guys hastily label it a ‘rip-off’, only helping yourselves prove further that you are imbeciles!

      • lovethetech

        These kind of handles are typically done by low IQ

  • lovethetech

    24 reviews are 2 kinds all over everywhere – from worst to average. Only for a few it is “Good”.

    • Chuttan

      U have zero support bhind u joker!

  • Sathyajit Krishnan

    I really want to understand the science behind why we tend to like ARR’s music after a few Listens. I was convinced this album was utter trash on Monday. Today I cant get these Songs out of my Head.

    • Prasanna Ramachandran

      My thoughts exactly. Hating to loving within 3 days. Why does this happen? Do we perhaps give Rahman’s albums the benefit of doubt and multiple listens, thus getting our brains used to the songs simply by repetition? In other words, if we approached all songs with the same open-mindedness and willingness to repeat, would we eventually start liking them the same way we like ARR’s songs? That may be a part of the answer – hating to not hating to liking to loving, over a period of days. But that still doesn’t explain why we still love some songs after years or decades. I’ve heard many songs by many composers many times over many years, but only ARR’s songs have this transformative effect with this level of consistency.

    • lovethetech

      You can listen to any worst songs, they will have the same effect.
      No music lovers in the world says that other than ARR fans. Typical non-sense from fans.

      • Syed Nizamudeen

        Aah, I beg to differ. I’ve tried a lot by experimenting the same with other composers. I did end up as a failure. My heart says, even though I may not like ARR’s tune on the first listen, I always get a feeling that the song is arranged nice or rich instrumentation or a new experimentation.

        To say the truth, I can’t revisit old albums of any other composers at the later point of time. But, that’s not with ARR’s case.

        Be any genre, be it a kollywood, bollywood or a Hollywood soundtrack, He sweeps my feet off completely.

        And on coming to 24, I definitely wouldn’t label it to be ‘so great’ or ‘so horrible’..But, it certainly did grab my attention and feel exciting so far in 3-4 listens.

        • lovethetech

          If some one says that they need to listen to music ten times to like it, that music is junk. Test it with any average and below songs, put it in your play list and listen only that song for 10 days or amonth many times. You will like that and you will find GREATNESS in that music. This has been tested and proved.

          • Chuttan

            Tested but failed, i m sorry to say but ur nonsense failed miserably!

          • lovethetech

            U even understood the previous post. All big stars junk songs are hits because they are played again and again. Lots of promotions!!!

          • Chuttan

            So all big star songs r junk?! Lol, can’t stop my laughter, u shud go to tmkoc, mayb as replacement of the tamilian iyer, they r lackin comedy these days, mayb ur entry cud give them some enouragement to do some comedy!

        • lovethetech

          What about the junk songs – really trashy songs for all the super stars in every damned Indian language are “hits”- Y? This works for ARR too.

          marketing power behind Star’s’ tracks to be played every where , all the time with promotions, they become “Hits”.

          We can write huge list trash list of big star “HITS” from Ajith, Vijay, Rajni, Pawan, Allu, SRK, Roshans, Salman Khan, Khans, kapoors and many Big production houses. those songs were never heard after that “those months of hits”.

          Look at every Indian music streaming web sites. always the top numbers during the “Star movie Releases” will be those trash hits. Rarely there are some genuine good but it is an exception.

          • Chuttan

            Tell me u joker who knows to compose then?!

  • Sujith S Kumar

    For every ARR album review, your comments section goes bananas. As far as this album is concerned, wasn’t expecting a masterpiece (could be the impending “IRAIVI” effect for which I have high hopes on). I guess the layering magic of ARR is yet to impress this time.

  • Vairamuthu Ramasamy

    Aararoo song resembles Pennalla Pennalla Ootha Poo from Uzhavan!… Anyone else feels the same?…

  • Harikeshan Ramakrishnan

    It’s a social marketing kind of a strategy with people I felt ! Not just ARR music, any other good composer’s music will be definitely good after 8-10 listens. But we judge other composers right in the first or max at second listen itself, and give ARR alone (yes, not even IR!) that chance of 10 -11 listens. We basically want to like them and have a perception that it is only after many listens we will fall in love with the songs. Please give a chance to other composers too 🙂 PS: I’m a big fan of IR and ARR 🙂

    • milliblog

      Not really. The ‘Rahman’s songs need more listens’ is something people seem to have deduced from past experience of writing his songs off in the first listen and eventually finding them to be earworms. This hasn’t happened so much with other composers… goes the lore.

      • lovethetech

        What about the junk songs – really trashy songs for all the super stars in every damned Indian language are hits- Y? This works for ARR too.

        You are wrong about it. It goes with any average song. ARR always had the biggest marketing power behind his tracks to be played every where , all the time with promotions, it worked. .

        • Chuttan

          It seems that u r stuck, failed miserably! Carry on ur nonsense, people r laughin at u & u r being proved a joker!

      • lovethetech

        Not really. The ‘Rahman’s songs need more listens’ is something people seem to have deduced from past experience of writing his songs off in the first listen and eventually finding them to be earworms. This hasn’t happened so much with other composers… goes the lore.

        I am waiting your reply “goes the lore” argument.

        What about the junk songs – really trashy songs for all the super stars in every damned Indian language are hits- Y? This works for ARR too.

        We can write huge list trash list of big star “HITS” from Ajith, Vijay, Rajni, Pawan, Allu, SRK, Roshans, Salman Khan, Khans, kapoors and many Big production houses. those songs were never heard after that “those months of hits”.

        It goes with any average song. ARR always had the biggest marketing power behind his tracks to be played every where , all the time with promotions. It worked as the same strategy of playing again and again worked for bigger stars

  • HARI stotle

    My Twin Borther Mad Max Fury Road version. Surprisingly they are so identical :p
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXTxyynUJ4

    • lovethetech

      k

    • Subramaliya

      Just came off watching Mad Max Fury Road. Throughout the movie all i could hear was ayushman bhava. Not a coincident. Someone totally tried to create a bgm keeping that as reference. I don’t think AR would do such obvious rips, although cant make a statement, did someone work with AR for background score of 24? Version link you posted doesn’t have cello version of cue which sounds exactly similar, the last note is different. Junkie XL mentions its the theme for Tom Hardy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xESFyIxito0

      • Sathyajit Krishnan

        Qutb e Kripa. Students from Rahman’s School. They’ve been helping out with the BGMs in the recent few movies.

  • lovethetech

    Karthik, where is your reply?
    I am waiting your reply “goes the lore” argument.

    Karthik: The ‘Rahman’s songs need more listens’ is something people seem to have deduced from past experience of writing his songs off in the first listen and eventually finding them to be earworms. This hasn’t happened so much with other composers… goes the lore.

    My answer to you :
    What about the junk songs – really trashy songs for all the super stars in every Indian language are hits-. Y? This works for ARR too.

    We can write huge list trash songs list of big star “HITS” from Ajith, Vijay, Rajni, Pawan, Allu, SRK, Roshans, Salman Khan, Khans, kapoors and many Big production houses. those songs were never heard after that “those weeks/months of hits”. They stay on top for a few weeks during the Big star’s movie release and disappear for ever. ARR also same story.

    It goes with any average song. ARR always had the biggest marketing power behind his tracks to be played every where , all the time with promotions. It worked as the same strategy of playing again and again worked for bigger stars. He is sold like any other star with fans like you and betold as “good songs”.

    where is your reply?

    You have to accept that you are biased to ARR. Your prime age is during Rahman’s days and that is to be blamed and The blame is not on you. Lingaas’ score 200 says a lot about that.

    • Rahmaniac AR

      Everyone is entitled to their personal opinion on Rahman’s music! Though every line of yours seems juvenile, what makes every CLAIM of yours juvenile is just IN ONE SENTENCE! 😀 The inclusion of Allu alongside names like Rajini, SRK, Salman Khan! ROFL!!!!

  • lovethetech

    No hindu gods names in ARR songs. Here is the link for “no hindu gods names for Rahman songs”. AR Rahman added so many other reasons and factors to hide behind them.
    He did a few when his market was slow in Bollywood.

    The book name is A.R. Rahman: The Musical Storm by By Kamini Mathai.
    Page number is 207.
    *Ayyappa song in Boys movies was composed by some one.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gfCTmjEAChIC&pg=PA207&dq=vairamuthu+rahman+lyrics+%22hindu%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiggon5t57MAhXFWCYKHRp7CvQQ6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=vairamuthu%20rahman%20lyrics%20%22hindu%22&f=false

    • Victor

      Songs by Rahman with Hindu Gods references –
      1. Radha Kaise Na Jale (Lagaan) – Lord Krishna
      2. Manmohana (Jodha Akbar) – Lord Krishna
      3. Namakame Swami (Komaram Puli) – Swami Ayyappa (I think) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tz-ZJSgxTY)
      4. Pal Pal Hai Bhaari (Swades) – Lord Ram

      So your theory of Rahman not composing with Hindu God’s name is debunked.
      Moreover, what I believe Rahman would have said is “No derogatory references to Hindu Gods”. Hope you get well soon.

      Peace.

      • lovethetech

        The interview is not lie. Only You are blind.

        Ayyapa is not by him. It is in Boys album but not by ARR. I mentioned it in some other post. check it out.

        And when Bollywood market went slow and down, he did it over there. Krishna and some others. Go and check my previous posts.

        He loosened a little bit because of his market went down for some time in Bollywood. If you have doubts, go and read RG Varma’s blog about ups and downs in fortunes.

        I want you to show one song in Tollywood so far.

      • lovethetech

        You are blind and show the list of Tamil songs.
        Ayyappa in Boys is not his .

        In 25 years, please list them.
        1.
        2.
        3.
        4
        5.
        6
        7
        8
        9
        10.
        Fill it up with list of Tamil devotional songs.
        Or you can hide in Peace.

        • Victor

          Thank you for opening my eyes… 😉
          Btw, that Ayyappa song I posted was not from Boys.

        • Victor

          Also, Alaipayuthey Kanna, has reference to Krishna and its a Tamil song.
          Now you’ll say that’s just one song, blah blah… I’m sorry that I replied. You can go back to your hating.
          Cheers.

          • lovethetech

            a devotional song.. ?

          • Chuttan

            That person is mad, don’t talk with him, he seems to have xtreme anti-rahman agenda!

          • lovethetech

            Kanna .. lol!!!! He used the exact original composition as done in the original by some other guy. The composition was not by ARR.

      • Chuttan

        I will add to it ik onkar from rang de basanti, o paalanhaare from lagaan, patakha guddi from highway & now u people tell me one dvotional song in bollywood in last few years without rahman!

        • lovethetech

          Lyricist PA Vijay was not against ARR when he said and it is truth. You can not swallow the facts and insulting all Indians.
          His market was dead in Bollywood so he started doing it. Google for Ram Gopal Varma’s blog about ups and down in fortunes, how ARR market died after very bad music in Daud, Kabhi Haa & Kabhi Nah and a few more . Then he started doing it a little bit, because his market went south in Bollywood. . But in Tamil after 25 years, List them below
          1.
          2.
          3,
          4,
          5.
          6.
          7……….

          • Chuttan

            f*cked up racist mentality!

          • Chuttan

            i don’t understand tamil,just listen some songs for music,i don’t understand tamil so how can i list tamil hindu dvotional songs of rahman!

          • Chuttan

            he has given more dvotional music in bollywood of both hindus & muslims than any of ur so called hindu music composers since last so many years so just shut up & close ur shop of hate,hatred,racism and fascism!

          • Chuttan

            can u xplain without abuzin or uselessly blamin how i abuzed indians?! i m myself an indian,i m right now livin in india,y will i abuze them?!

          • Chuttan

            now u r sayin that tamils r dumb,i have never even vsited tn so how can i say that?!

          • lovethetech

            Language was wrong. He made Tamils to look dumb. That’s what I meant. wrong wording.

          • Chuttan

            Ok so u think that rahman thinks tamils r dumb, m i right this time?!

          • lovethetech

            s.

          • engr945

            his debut was omkari bhagawathi in asokan,, then try listening to alaipayuthey, baba, ai rama (rangeela tamil), and komaram puli (in telugu),,,, and all available sources mentions arr as composer for ayyappa song in boys,,,,, anyways before daud misara kanav came out and after kabhi na kabhi,, dil se came out, also daud and kabhi na kabhi were successful albums with great reviews so no there was no market gone

          • lovethetech

            In Boys’ he had the absolute chance, but he did not make one.
            Alaipa.., , it is a very old classic composition. He did not compose it at all.
            Boys Ayyappa song not by him!! You said you are from music industry, it proves you are not from music industry.

            ARR market went south . Go and check RGV blog. “Fortunes of ups and downs in film industry” blog. Daud and KHKN, winning albums,? they crashed without any one even knowing about those albums.

          • engr945

            daud and kabhi na kabhi were successful albums, not as successful as other arr albums but successful…, anyways for the sake of argument, ill agree what you say,, after daud, his next release in hindi was “dil se”, what down market are you talking about,,, and daud was his second hindi film project after rangeela, rest all before were tamil which were dubbed into hindi,,, also he won a national award for best music director in 1997 (the year daud came out), and another one in 1998..

            and who told you i was from the music industry?? please provide any source for your claim that arr did not compose the ayyappa song,, until then its a lie being spread by haters like you
            alaipayuthey classic or modern,, he did work on it, he did recreate it.. and you agree to it, so shutup with “he has never done anything in tamil” ,,,,,,,,, and i guess you already heard omkari so thats there,,,

            khkn was not arr it was jatin-lalit, and it also was a pretty succesful album

  • rnjbond

    Why in the world are there 150 comments here?

  • Abhi

    50 more comments here then there will be no crib 😉 #200

  • lovethetech

    I will be back
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    for ANY unnecessary 200 marks for below average AR albums.
    Some cleaning was done for the same & repeated comments.

  • lovethetech

    24 reviews are out. “It Is only ARR pedestrian music either songs or BGM, …
    This is not the only review talks “low” about bad ARR score/songs and more are coming. Except the Cheerleaders like milli or/behindwood, others are to the point.
    I can add more links, but google is there for other links.

    http://www.onlykollywood.com/24-movie-review/

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